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Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

I dont have a wife or kids.
Just because an immigrant is willing to work for less doesn't mean it's going to happen. There are many, I'd even go so far as to say most, employers who would rather have a fuent English-speaker working for them. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but being an American is a big advantage in the job market. There was one guy here a while ago whining about how he was out of work for almost a year and was blaming illegal immigrants...he was full of ish, it was because he was lazy and didn't try hard enough.

Hospitals are not allowed to turn away sick people at the emergency room. Whether the patients are illegal immigrants or not doesn't matter. Lets replace the illegal immigrants in your scenario with ordinary citizens: If they had arrived before me and my fictional daughter, they would still get the same treatment as the illegals. My problems, if I had any, would not be different had the family been illegal immigrants or American citizens because I still wouldn't be the first one getting treatment. I would not be more angry if they were immigrants than if they were citizens because people who need emercency treatment need it no matter who they are.
Most of them are here to work and are honest people. It would be a smart thing to put them on the books somehow, this way they're paying some taxes, everyone would win. Thats what Comprehensive immigration reform is about; finding a way to work it to the best interest of everyone. Its that I'm advocating, not blanket amnesty.
But of course because we live in the United States of stupid our politicians and their "bases" are not interested in finding that.
As far as the parasites comment goes, they're putting up with a lot to try and make themselves and their families a better life. I guarantee its a harder life than yours, so don't make it out to be a rosey road to walk.
There is something annoying about seeing an area you lived in your whole life change. Believe me my neighborhood is a perfect example, there are waaaay more spanish people here now than there used to be. There are even restaurants with only spanish menus here and there, and that does bother me a bit, I think if you come to this country you should learn English if you plan on staying for any extended period of time, or at least learn enough to get by.
In the end I support the honest immigrants because its that kind of hard work and dedication, and the belief in the ideals we have that makes the country what it is. It was the same way 150 years ago with European and Asian immigrants and we were better off for it. Smart reform is the key to the whole thing, if our stupid arse politicians can find a way to make it work it would fix a lot of problems.

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The Glove wrote:

I dont have a wife or kids.

aha! So then you don't fully understand the extent of the damage these people are causing, since you've never experienced the pain first hand.

The Glove wrote:

Just because an immigrant is willing to work for less doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Oh great! So on top of the ones willing to work for less, we ALSO have the lazy, useless ones who are still getting sick, and draining the system in countless ways!

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There are many, I'd even go so far as to say most, employers who would rather have a fuent English-speaker working for them.

How many times have you had a hard time understanding the person at the drive thru window taking your order? How many times have you called some support line, and can barely understand what they're saying? How many times do you see 'se habla espanol' written somewhere, or 'press 1 for English'? Are you SURE about what that last statement?

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I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but being an American is a big advantage in the job market.

Not so much. Ever hear of Outsourcing? In the programming world ALONE, many jobs are sent to India because it's dirt cheap. Even in the entertainment industry, say, Southpark, for example, they have the cartoon developed by Chinese because it's much cheaper there, than paying Americans to do it here. These are just 2 small examples.

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There was one guy here a while ago whining about how he was out of work for almost a year and was blaming illegal immigrants...he was full of ish, it was because he was lazy and didn't try hard enough.

Sure, in his case it's entirely possible, There are lazy people in all societies. However, that doesn't mean the problem for Americans getting a good job due to illegals doesn'nt exist here. In order to survive in America, comfortably, you need to make sure you can get a good job, with security, who'll have good benefits (so you don't go bankrupt by visiting the hospital once), and so on. Yes, you can get a job at McDonalds for 5 an hour, but how far will that take you? People hold out sometimes to get a good job, which aren't abundant here at the moment, and illegals aren't helping the situation. Have you tried to get a good, career since finishing all of that expensive schooling?

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Hospitals are not allowed to turn away sick people at the emergency room. Whether the patients are illegal immigrants or not doesn't matter.

That's exactly the point I was making. They have to treat anybody, whether they can pay or not, and in the order of illness. So guess what, if they only have for example, 10 beds, and 10 Dr's, and all 10 are very backed up, due to an emergency room full of illegals (and legals), and your kid happens to be very sick, but there's an illegal Mexican filling all the beds befire you, guess what? You're kid is SOL. AND you get to PAY for their treatment via your hard earned tax money. When you go to work everyday, each minute you're grinding it out, think to yourself for a second, that what you're doing there at any moment, IS going to pay for some illegal mexican guy who hopped a fence and snuck across the border, so that he can send any money he makes back to Mexico. That's not a 'maybe', it's already happening. You're paying for it right now my friend. And as more stream across the borders by the thousands every day, you'll be paying more and more and more. Unless this gets under control, there is NO end to how much will keep being added on to the amount removed from your check or salary every week. But instead you're more worried about 'harrassing' someone becaue the cops stop them asking for an ID?

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Lets replace the illegal immigrants in your scenario with ordinary citizens: If they had arrived before me and my fictional daughter, they would still get the same treatment as the illegals. My problems, if I had any, would not be different had the family been illegal immigrants or American citizens because I still wouldn't be the first one getting treatment. I would not be more angry if they were immigrants than if they were citizens because people who need emercency treatment need it no matter who they are.

That's not entirely correct. It's a game of numbers. You may still have to wait if everyone in the ER was legal, however, not only are they legal and culpable of paying their own medical bills for the visit, there'll also be a much shorter 'line' if thats the correct word to use. Why? Because ALL of those illegals simply won't BE there. Do you have any idea how many illegals a day are in any given emergency room? Especially in highly concentrated areas of illegals? they don't go to regular Dr's because they get turned away due to no way to pay. Their only option is to take any little nick, scrape, bruise, complaint directly to the ER, and like you said, the ER can't turn ANYONE away, because it's ironically illegal to do so.

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Most of them are here to work and are honest people. It would be a smart thing to put them on the books somehow, this way they're paying some taxes, everyone would win.

So in other words, REWARD them for sneaking across the border, right? And isn't that what we've been TRYING to do for decades, which obviously has not worked?

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But of course because we live in the United States of stupid our politicians and their "bases" are not interested in finding that.

Well, if you think you can do a better job than our 'stupid' presidents and politicians, no matter which President or side (Democrat or Republican) is in office, by all means, run for president since you know the answers and are smarter than all of them. Because so far none of them have been able to come up with a working solution, and anything any of them come up with is met with people such as yourself and others who rally against anything they come up with. Especially if it isn't on the so called 'liberal', care-bear side.

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As far as the parasites comment goes, they're putting up with a lot to try and make themselves and their families a better life. I guarantee its a harder life than yours, so don't make it out to be a rosey road to walk.

"putting up with"? Seriously? No one says they have to 'put up with' anything. Don't come here then. They also come here and 'put up with' us paying for them via our tax money, and then start putting Mexican flags up all over the place, crank the Mexican music in their cars, introduce crime, throw parades for how great Mexico is, and act so proud to be Mexican. If Mexico os so great, why not go BACK to Mexico and work just as hard THERE making your own country great, instead of ocmeing ot America and bragging how great Mexico is? And do you know me? How do you know how hard or easy of a life I may have to make that guarantee? Just because I'm a legal American? So what you're saying in that blanket statement is all legal Americans have easy lives, completely stress free?

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and that does bother me a bit, I think if you come to this country you should learn English if you plan on staying for any extended period of time, or at least learn enough to get by.

But they don't WANT to. At least many of them don't. Why do you think we're changing everything to say 'Press 1 for English?'. And you're just trying to force your opinion on them, which is really no different than anything else we're trying to force on them that you don't agree with. Do you mean to tell me that it's OK to say "hey Mexican, if you're going to be here, take the time and effort to learn a completely new language", but it's not OK to say "Hey Mexican, if you're going to be here, take the time to do it legally first"? Have you ever tried to learn a new language? Move to China sometime and learn Chinese, then come back and say how easy it seems.

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In the end I support the honest immigrants because its that kind of hard work and dedication, and the belief in the ideals we have that makes the country what it is. It was the same way 150 years ago with European and Asian immigrants and we were better off for it. Smart reform is the key to the whole thing, if our stupid arse politicians can find a way to make it work it would fix a lot of problems.

If you support 'honest' immigrants than you support that they become immigrants honestly. In other words, legally. If they can't do it legally, then what makes you think they're honest? 150 yars ago is exactly that-- 150 years ago. Times change, things evolve for the better, and for the smarter. Right now the smartest thing for America is to only allow immigrants willing to be here honestly and legally. Being here LEGALLY is what helps our economy and growth. And the health of the nation as a whole.

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Re: Arizona's New Immigration Law

Just so you know I'm done with the whole argument, I've said pretty much everything I have to about it.

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illegal immigrant cockiness

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Ah yes more mature and insightful contributions from our anonymous visitors.
keep up the good work!

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oh my goodness what a mean character he is, i see the humor in the video but he needs to be careful, someone might try to get revenge!

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Ah yes more mature and insightful contributions from our anonymous visitors.
keep up the good work!

Speaking of "Anonymous Visitors", isn't that exactly what illegal immigrants are? Laughing

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You know a few days before they passed this law in AZ: Arizona to allow concealed weapons without permit

Wonder how many are having Mexican for dinner. Laughing

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