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UPWARDLY GOTHIC
By Denise Winterman
BBC News Magazine
A goth for life
Behind the black hair dye and white make-up goths are simply art lovers, who aspire to middle-class values, says a new study. Is that right?
The moment their teenage son or daughter dyes their hair black and starts getting creative with eyeliner can be a nightmare for parents. But a report suggests it should be a time for celebration.
Goths are likely to grow up to be doctors, lawyers or architects, the study by Sussex University says.
They are refined and sensitive, keen on poetry and books, not big on drugs or anti-social behaviour. They are also likely to carry on being goths into their adult life.
They have an ability to express their feelings and are believers in romance rather than one-night stands, it says. In fact, the only things dark about them are their clothing and their sarcastic sense of humour.
WHY GOTHS?
The term comes from Germanic tribe that invaded the Roman Empire in the 3rd to 5th centuries. Goth was thought to be first used to describe bands around 1979, with Joy Division and Siouxsie and the Banshees. There are sub cultures within the sub culture, such as cyber goths. Goth band Bauhaus graced the cover of Smash Hits in 1982.
"They won't like me saying it, but their lifestyle, unlike the punk scene, is a middle-class sub culture,'' says Dunja Brill, who carried out the study. "They are usually intelligent youngsters who have rejected the idea that teenagers must fulfil certain criteria.''
But is that right? Will the pale faced, sullen-looking teenage goth next door end up being your bank manager in 10 years' time? The Magazine headed to the gothic Mecca that is Camden Market to find out.
"Where I live it's usually the chavs who start all the trouble not the goths, so I think we are quite a peaceful lot," says Antoinette Drakes, 16. "We just mind our own business and get on with what we like to do. But goths are like any other group, a lot depends on the individual." On the whole we are quite sensitive but you get some who aren't, who are just posers and are just on the pull. Some will end up being doctors and some will end up being unemployed. Goths are a mix of personalities, just like everyone else."
'Chavs cause trouble'
But Keeley Dale, 18, says the study is just putting another label on goths.
"It's always about labels in today's society and that exactly why I dress the way I do, I don't want to fit into other people's stereotypes," she says. "So I'm not only a goth now, I'm also aspiring middle class. What is that anyway? I don't want to be a doctor and read the Daily Telegraph, I want to be a writer and read whatever takes my fancy." There are some things that I do recognise in this research, goths can be sensitive and aren't usually violent, but at the end of the day I think such things depend on the person, not the way they choose to dress."
Mia Joseph, 40, has been a goth since her early teens and says it is a way of life for her now. She runs a market stall specialising in gothic wear, leather and PVC.
Threatening
"It's not about fitting in to a particular subculture, this is just my life. I'm beyond thinking of myself as a goth, I'm just me." There are characteristics in the study that I think are true, goths do tend to be peaceful and sensitive, interested in literature and it is a way of life for many that continues long into adulthood. Why that is middle class I don't know.
"I think people are a lot more accepting of us now. Years ago people found my piercing and tattoos threatening, now they are part of everyday life. A lot of people have their nose pierced or a tattoo. I have grannies who come up to me and say they wish they'd been able to dress the way I do when they were younger."
But there is one trait that seems to cross all teenage sub cultures, whatever they wear, whatever music they listen to and whatever a study says - and that is sex. "Of course I want to fall in love, but I'm fully prepared to try out quite a few ladies to find the right one," says Dan Taylor, 18. "I'm still a hormonally-charged teenager after all, as well as a goth."

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Re: UPWARDLY GOTHIC

well I found this to be a interesting read since I have a child who basically only shops at Hot Topic, wears 99.999999% black or dark gray. So far no eyeliner and I'm pretty sure dad would strangle him if he did - oh wait he did on Halloween when he went as you guessed it a vampire.
I guess I can agree with most of this but geez he last paragraph.....

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"Of course I want to fall in love, but I'm fully prepared to try out quite a few ladies to find the right one,"

I hope he has a goth condom!

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Laughing. I found that last part to be irrelevant. but oh well. I enjoyed it. And I already wear black eyeliner and nail polish. guy or not I think its nice.

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Well my hubby is US Marine Corp *Semper FI* so you can image things are a little more strict. However I will say there hair is longer for sure and they do get way with alot more. Makeup for my house is out - except for me or Halloween.

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Laughing just lovely. I live with my grandparents. And they dont care what I do just as long as
1. I dont get arrested.
2. I dont get a girl pregnant.
3. I graduate high school. 7 MORE WEEKS!

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Well their rules sound like good fair ones. They sound like cool grandparents Smile

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Yea theyre really laid back with the rules. Just as long as i dont piss them off. Big Grin

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Re: UPWARDLY GOTHIC
Well I wear eyeliner....I'm a girl though, and I also wear mostly black and grey....does that make me a goth?
I'm so hot, I sometimes spontaneously combust.
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Phoenix_Oasis wrote:
Well I wear eyeliner....I'm a girl though, and I also wear mostly black and grey....does that make me a goth?

The general definition of a gothic person is someone that is creative with their body, such as in the form of clothing, body mods, (pircings tattoos) and things along the lines of thtat,

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Re: UPWARDLY GOTHIC
All of the self-labeled "goths" I have met were indeed very nice and intelligent. It's no wonder why. Kind of takes me back to my high school days when people would assume I was such because of my metal shirts. Keyword: metal. Tongue My friends and I would get a good kick out of that one. Ah well, not everyone will take the time to understand the difference and I couldn't care less any more.
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Re: UPWARDLY GOTHIC

But thats the thing, anyone with a double digit IQ is willing to label anyone wearing a pair of Tripp pants gothic. And they are wrong. Gothic is not just about the music, I know im contradicting myself from the post above, but its not only about the music, gothic goes into so much deeper, as well as the music, the arts, has anyone noticed that many goths have a taste for art ?

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