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SO the Pope just got back from a visit to Africa where AIDS is running rapid there. On his way back while he was chatting with reporters he stated this:

"You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane headed to Yaounde, Cameroon. "On the contrary, it increases the problem."

WOW - "You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," "On the contrary, it increases the problem."

I agree that we need to do more education but IMO with education you need to discuss how the use of condoms CAN reduce the chances of getting AIDS.

Pope: Condoms 'Increase' AIDS Epidemic in Africa

Benedict has never before spoken explicitly on condom use although he has stressed that the Roman Catholic Church is in the forefront of the battle against AIDS. The Vatican encourages sexual abstinence to fight the spread of the disease.

"You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane headed to Yaounde, Cameroon. "On the contrary, it increases the problem."

Some priests and nuns working with victims of the AIDS pandemic ravaging Africa question the church's opposition to condoms.

So what are your thoughts? Now mind you this is not a lets fight the Catholic church thread but more of do you agree or disagree with what the Pope feels on the use of condoms.

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Re: The Popes stand on condoms and AIDS
Ok, no offense to any Pope lovers...but I'm going to rip into him right now. We're living in 2009 and have to push some morals aside. I understand that his solution is to instill the act of abstinence among the lands of Africa. However, realistically this just can't happen this way. The problem is not the sexual act, but the transmission itself. The only way to lessen your chances of trasmission is to wrap it up. Condoms aren't a 100% effective, but right now it's one of the only ways to help prevent AIDS/HIV other than abstinence.

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The problem is not the sexual act, but the transmission itself. The only way to lessen your chances of trasmission is to wrap it up. Condoms aren't a 100% effective, but right now it's one of the only ways to help prevent AIDS/HIV other than abstinence.

I couldn't have said it better. I agree 100%. Hey I'm also a mom and as much as I would like my boys to stay pure I live in a real world and I know. I have also preached to them about STD's and how the use of a condom is not just a good idea but a MUST. Like you said nothing is perfect but its the best defense we have right now.

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Re: The Popes stand on condoms and AIDS

Also agree with all of the above. Being a Catholic myself, I happen to disagree with a lot of their teachings and this is one. I also have a boy coming of age pretty soon and I've already had the talk with him about this. It's not really a choice anymore but a must, period. I just can't see any Pope ever agreeing to the use of condoms however. Sad!

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We're living in 2009 and have to push some morals aside.

That I can't agree with at all. Why just because we are pushing through time should we lose our basic moral standards? How far do we push them? How many? No, in this age, we need all the morals we can get. We don't need to push any aside.

Right now, the Pope IS considering letting those with AIDS to use condoms. He has a large team coming to Rome to discuss it. Which I think is needed. Do I think that condoms increase the babies? No.

I do, however, think that condoms are frequently being used as an excuse to have frequent and carefree sex, especially with the younger generation. "Oh look! Condoms! We can have all the sex we want now!" Next morning, "Oh ish! It broke! :O" What then? I think that while condoms should be used, I think that it encourages a lot of sex and with multiple partners. Silly ole me thinks that you shouldn't be doing everyone just because you have a condom and don't think it will lead to a kid.

I'm not catholic, btw.

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Right now, the Pope IS considering letting those with AIDS to use condoms.

That is like a small dip in the ice bucket. I do agree with you that yes morals need to be taught.

Here is my views as a mom of 3 boys. Do I want my kids to have sex (mind you my one is going to be 17 this year so I look at this subject straight in the face) no I would rather my kids wait. Do I think they will wait, probably not. Yes I do talk to my children about sex and yes we have talked about all forms of sex. I am one who will not play stupid thinking they don't know when they do. I have told them my views that I think its something special to be shared with someone special and not just the now days meet and greet that it has become. We have talked about STD's very heavily - probably more then they eveeeeeeeeeeeeeer wanted to know. Heck I printed out pics of male gentles that were full of STD's - yep I went for the total scare cant get that image out of your head type approach. Should my boys decide to have sex I want that image of what they could end up looking like in their heads as they grab for a condom. I also will say that I have condoms at the house now in their one bathroom drawer and they know it. I'm not stupid kids can be shy and if one decides he wants to fool around but to afraid to ask grandma standing behind the counter at CVS for condoms then I'll be sure that I will supply them. So yes I have shown my kids the condoms in the bathroom drawer. I have told them that although I would rather they wait and how special it is to share that with the love of your life that should they feel the need that I would rather they be protected. I said no questions asked but I will check the drawer and should the supply go down I will re-stock again no questions asked. Yes I want them to be moral but HELL no do I want to be a grandma at this point in time nor do I want a child with a STD.......and there is the smartmom point of view :-)

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Re: The Popes stand on condoms and AIDS
I don't really think condoms promote or encourage sex. I just think it offers and option to those who decide to engage in sexual activity. Why should we let what the Pope think prevent us from trying to help these people in Africa. Granted I know that's not what you're saying. However preventing something from being distributed doesn't necessairly encourage the reverse effect it intended. For example, you can be told not to touch fire or you'll get burned. However should you touch that fire and get burned, there are plenty of ointments out there to relieve the pain. Do these ointments encourage people to go out there and get burned? I don't think so. I don't think condom promote multiple partners or a lot of sex, I just think it promotes safer sex. That safer sex could be with one person.
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Maybe its just because I'm on the younger side, so I have seen a lot of people using condoms just to be able to have wild, crazy sex. And as frequently as possible. And with as many people as possible. Would they do it unprotected? No, they wouldn't. So maybe my experiences have twisted my view different then others.

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James Clerk wrote:

Maybe its just because I'm on the younger side

Hey....I'm not that old at all. I'm 23 years young!
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Re: The Popes stand on condoms and AIDS
James Clerk wrote:

Maybe its just because I'm on the younger side, so I have seen a lot of people using condoms just to be able to have wild, crazy sex. And as frequently as possible. And with as many people as possible.

Woah .... how old are you, if you don't mind me asking? I'm 24, and nobody I know has that wild, crazy sex as you describe it. And if they are using condoms, isn't that safe? I mean, I don't agree with whoring around, but that's them, ya know? Now if you're talking teens, then isn't that kind of up to the parents and the values the parents are showing them? I plan on emphasizing condoms to my children, not because I want them to have sex and sleep with everyone they know, but because I don't want them to have kids as teenagers or to catch a disease they can't. Now I plan on helping instill self esteem and respect for themeselves in my kids, so they don't think they HAVE to have sex in their teen relationships to be a better person or to fit in or to keep their partner. But, in reality, it just takes one time to get pregnant and it just takes one time to catch a disease. I'd 1000% prefer my child to using condoms than have a baby at 15 or have an STD. They don't need that kind of trauma at that young of an age.

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Re: The Popes stand on condoms and AIDS
Yeah, LBL, I was taken aback as well. The sort of mind set that James Clerk is displaying made me think that he was actually older and speaking for a different generation.

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